Post by D6 on May 3, 2021 1:34:48 GMT -5
2021 NFL draft: Detroit Lions pull off trade for USC WR Amon-Ra St. Brown, Purdue LB Derrick Barnes with back-to-back picks
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This thread relates to the following thread and the threads in that discussion:
Round 4a: WR Amon-Ra St. Brown ( USC ) : Pick # 112 ( 2021 )
detroit-lions-forum.proboards.com/thread/1034/round-amon-brown-pick-2021
This new thread relates to the following thread:
NFL Draft Preview: Linebackers ( 2021 )
detroit-lions-forum.proboards.com/thread/988/nfl-draft-preview-linebackers-2021
When seeing the trade the Lions made for pick # 113, in the early part of Round 4, I was hoping that with either pick # 112, the Lions own pick, or pick # 113, the Lions would select LSU LB Jabril Cox. I didn't envision Cox lasting beyond the early part of Round 3. I would have been thrilled if the Lions made this trade and ended up with Cox. The Cowboys soon after drafted Cox, using pick # 115. This, in addition to drafting Penn St. LB Micah Parsons with pick # 12, in. Round 1.
I'm comfortable with the trade terms ( from a general standpoint ) with Cleveland, especially with the Lions already having the LA Rams 1st Round Pick in the 2022 Draft, with 2 or 3 Compensatory Picks coming the Lions way in the 2022 Draft. But with Derrick Barnes being the Lions selection, not Cox, I probably would have preferred the Lions not making this particular trade. With the plan of waiting at least another 20 picks ( midway point to pick # 153, what was the Lions 5th Round pick Brad Holmes traded in this deal ) before making a trade up for Barnes ( if still available ). I'm glad the Lions got a late Round 7 pick in the trade. But the overall compensation for Barnes seems like too much to give up. Getting a late 6th Round pick back instead of a late 7th Round pick would have been at or around of my preference level, with Barnes being the pick. Knowing, this is a player that Holmes and Co. clearly wanted.
Derrick Barnes is only close to 6'0 3/8" tall. On the plus side, he has 33 3/8" arm. Barnes ran a 4.57 40 at the Purdue Pro Day. Even factoring in that the 40 wasn't at the Combine. which was cancelled, it still would be a fast time if adjusted. Barnes had a 37 " vertical jump, which Is very good for a LB. He's fast moving forward and laterally. Barnes does a good job shedding blocks, with his strong hands. He's also often effective on blitz stunts. He's quick off the snap. Barnes' size limits his upside as an edge rusher off the line of scrimmage. But he has good bend off the edge.
The three limitations / shortcomings with Derrick Barnes are he doesn't change directions smoothly. Man to Man Coverage and dealing with RBs in space in general are major concerns. Dalvin Cook immediately comes to mind. Barnes needs to improve his recognition skills. Moving from off the ball LB to being used off the edge has had made it more difficult for him to develop his recognition skills at a specific position. Also, Barnes' overall length limits his tackling radius and overall ability protecting the edge.
Derrick Barnes also has high upside on Special Teams and good intangibles. He's a good player, who provides versatility on Defense. But unlike Jabril Cox, Derrick Barnes has substantially more limited upside on 3rd Downs/ expected passing downs.
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This thread relates to the following thread and the threads in that discussion:
Round 4a: WR Amon-Ra St. Brown ( USC ) : Pick # 112 ( 2021 )
detroit-lions-forum.proboards.com/thread/1034/round-amon-brown-pick-2021
This new thread relates to the following thread:
NFL Draft Preview: Linebackers ( 2021 )
detroit-lions-forum.proboards.com/thread/988/nfl-draft-preview-linebackers-2021
When seeing the trade the Lions made for pick # 113, in the early part of Round 4, I was hoping that with either pick # 112, the Lions own pick, or pick # 113, the Lions would select LSU LB Jabril Cox. I didn't envision Cox lasting beyond the early part of Round 3. I would have been thrilled if the Lions made this trade and ended up with Cox. The Cowboys soon after drafted Cox, using pick # 115. This, in addition to drafting Penn St. LB Micah Parsons with pick # 12, in. Round 1.
I'm comfortable with the trade terms ( from a general standpoint ) with Cleveland, especially with the Lions already having the LA Rams 1st Round Pick in the 2022 Draft, with 2 or 3 Compensatory Picks coming the Lions way in the 2022 Draft. But with Derrick Barnes being the Lions selection, not Cox, I probably would have preferred the Lions not making this particular trade. With the plan of waiting at least another 20 picks ( midway point to pick # 153, what was the Lions 5th Round pick Brad Holmes traded in this deal ) before making a trade up for Barnes ( if still available ). I'm glad the Lions got a late Round 7 pick in the trade. But the overall compensation for Barnes seems like too much to give up. Getting a late 6th Round pick back instead of a late 7th Round pick would have been at or around of my preference level, with Barnes being the pick. Knowing, this is a player that Holmes and Co. clearly wanted.
Derrick Barnes is only close to 6'0 3/8" tall. On the plus side, he has 33 3/8" arm. Barnes ran a 4.57 40 at the Purdue Pro Day. Even factoring in that the 40 wasn't at the Combine. which was cancelled, it still would be a fast time if adjusted. Barnes had a 37 " vertical jump, which Is very good for a LB. He's fast moving forward and laterally. Barnes does a good job shedding blocks, with his strong hands. He's also often effective on blitz stunts. He's quick off the snap. Barnes' size limits his upside as an edge rusher off the line of scrimmage. But he has good bend off the edge.
The three limitations / shortcomings with Derrick Barnes are he doesn't change directions smoothly. Man to Man Coverage and dealing with RBs in space in general are major concerns. Dalvin Cook immediately comes to mind. Barnes needs to improve his recognition skills. Moving from off the ball LB to being used off the edge has had made it more difficult for him to develop his recognition skills at a specific position. Also, Barnes' overall length limits his tackling radius and overall ability protecting the edge.
Derrick Barnes also has high upside on Special Teams and good intangibles. He's a good player, who provides versatility on Defense. But unlike Jabril Cox, Derrick Barnes has substantially more limited upside on 3rd Downs/ expected passing downs.